Children Who Don't Sleep • Sep. 19, 2007

Kendra-

Just wondering if you have any good advice on 
managing my home with a two-year-old who has almost grown out of naps 
and a two-month-old who is a light sleeper. It is just the beginning 
for me as far as family is concerned ( we hope!), so understanding 
how to manage is very important to me. I just feel like I never get a 
clear routine or even down-time at all because of my non-sleeping 
children.

I could tell you a typical day, but you can probably 
imagine when you think of one who rarely sleeps (and still doesn't 
sleep through the night) and one who wakes up at any little thing, 
even with music and the white noise machine going. Wow, I'm not 
really sure how anything will ever get done, much less future 
homeschooling! I'm sure you're overwhelmed with emails, so I'll 
understand if your answer is brief, or takes a while to get back to me.
Thank you, and God bless you for your hard work as a mother, wife, 
teacher, and disciple of Jesus!

Love, Allison


Dear Allison-

I have long said that the hardest time for me as a mother was when I had a two-year-old and a newborn.  Truly, my seven are easier from day-to-day than your two are right now.

That said, can I give you some gentle advice?  I wouldn't offer if you hadn't asked Those babies (yes, the two-year-old is a baby) need to sleep.  I don't give any child under the age of five the option to drop a nap.  Even if the almost-five-year-olds are ready to drop it, they still have to be on their beds resting for at least an hour and a half.  When the day begins around 7 a.m. and ends around 8 p.m., it is a long time for a little one to go without sleeping.  I know, because if ever I venture into a store in the afternoon, I encounter cranky, whiny, tired little ones.  Little ones who ought to be home in bed.

I can't really imagine a two-year-old not sleeping through the night, and I am not saying that to be critical.  I just so firmly believe in training babies to sleep though the night as soon as possible, and it's all I know.  We do snuggle them in bed with us early on, we do comfort and hold them a lot, and love all over them.  But I am a firm believer in flexibly scheduling a baby.  The deal is, my newborns are always so sleepy that I have to wake them to feed them anyway; why not wake them on a schedule?  By the time they are a little more wakeful- voila!- they are already on a schedule and on their way to dropping the middle-of-the-night feedings.  By three months, they are sleeping 10-12 hours straight at night, with two daily naps of 90 minutes each, plus a cat nap in the early evening.  And you know what?  They are happy when they are awake because they are well-rested.

It's not too late to get the baby onto some sort of a schedule.  If you need some help, there are good books out there, although I confess to not having read them:  Healthy Sleep Habits, Happy Child, and Solve Your Child's Sleep Problems are the two I have been told positive things about.  Preschoolers and Peace readers are so good about commenting and offering resources, so glean from that all you can. 
I know the debates inside and out (I've been doing this parenting thing for quite awhile now ), so be forewarned that if a debate ensues in the comments here, I will delete them.  We're trying to give Allison some help, not argue the different philosophies of demand feeding/schedule feeding/attachment parenting.

As for your two-year-old, all of my kids have gone through a stage when they thought they were done with naps.  I just smile and say, "Have a good nap!" when I put them down.  If they choose to talk/cry/scream/sing, then that's the choice they make.  Eventually they tire out and get the picture: naps aren't optional here when you're a preschooler.  If your two-year-old won't stay on their bed, read this.  I have been there and done that, too!

You are right, Allison.  Homeschooling might not be impossible if you don't have sleeping children, but it will certainly steal all the joy right out of your life.  And accomplish very little.  You need your sleep, too, mama.

Blessings,
Kendra
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Untitled Comment - Sep. 19, 2007

Shared by Corin
Sleep training is so important!

I haven't been at this long, but my suggestion for the baby, and any future little ones, would be to be noisy! It's worked wonderfully for our 4.

With our first I did not want him to be a light sleeper, so I vacuumed while he napped. With the others we just kept up our normal household activities, sometimes being extra noisy ;-) They learn to sleep through it quickly.

Our most recent little one has been known to sleep through any noise, and being walked across!

Our oldest (5 years old) is occasionally not napping now. Depending on his mood I either allow him to stay up and do housework with me, or lay on his bed quietly. Everyone else must nap.
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You Can Do It! - Sep. 19, 2007

Shared by deovolente
Yes, yes, and yes to what Kendra said! I have five 5 and under, and sometimes that 1 to 1 1/2 hours in the afternoon is my sanity-saver! They need rest, and you need them to rest.

It was hardest for me when I only had one. He was a terrible sleeper, but I know that I was part of the problem. It helped to determine that I was his mother and could make better choices for him than he could make for himself. Sometimes that meant leaving him in bed if he only napped for 20 minutes before waking up and crying. I would go in, make sure he wasn't stuck or with a dirty diaper, pat his back a couple of times, say, "I love you. Nigh-nigh," and leave. No lingering.

And with the 2-year old, do you think a lengthy book on tape would help? Sometimes mine go down a little easier (even happily!) if they are allowed to listen to a long book on tape. And most times, they end up falling asleep during it; but even if they don't, I've had a period of time without their demands.

You're not alone! Most of us are a little sleep-deprived with red-rimmed eyes :) Don't be afraid to determine that you will help your children learn how to rest. This will make for a much happier child and a much happier mama!

Rachel
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Untitled Comment - Sep. 19, 2007

Shared by Copperswife
Oh, Allison!! Ditto everything Kendra already said, Corin, too for that matter!

A two year old should sleep through the night unless she is sick or something. I had a wakeful two year old once (yep, it was Corin!!). It seems she enjoyed the fact that either Mom or Dad would get up to come in and check on her. It took us a couple of weeks to figure out what she was doing (we were sloooowww!), but once we did it took just a couple of nights to correct with basic child training steps.

Every step of parenting is a new adventure - new borns, infants, toddlers, etc. It's a constant time for learning for you, as well as for the children, and a time for you to lean ever more heavily on the Lord for wisdom & strength.
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Kendra is Right! - Sep. 19, 2007

Shared by ShawnaB
I think with young children, providing for their sleep needs is of equal importance to providing for their nutritional and emotional needs! Its just SO important. Often, my children (even my toddlers!) are mistaken for exceptionally easy children...when in fact, I believe they are just well rested children!

If your 2 year old is no longer in a crib, and you aren't prepared to INSIST that they stay in bed, regardless of whether they sleep or not, I might suggest putting them back in the crib, and adding a tent if need be, as Kendra suggested. If they do not believe that getting out of is an option, they WILL rest, and I predict that they will eventually begin to sleep again as well.

My most difficult time with sleep was when I had a 2 year old and a new born too. My new baby was very sensitive and went from tired to over-tired in a nano-second, slept in short catnaps after much crying, and woke still tired. It was very hard. I read "The Baby Whisperer" by Tracy Hogg and it really helped me to understand her and provided some practical advice for peacefully nurturing my sensitive baby girl into a good sleep pattern. I found that the book really took into account that not ALL babies easily fall into a Sleep, Eat, Play schedule by simply feeding them on a schedule. Some need a little more help and time. BUT,that doesn't mean that they won't every be good sleepers! Sensitive babies sometimes just take longer for their littler nervous systems to mature so that they can manage the miriad of stimuli that they are bombarded with each day. They will eventually settle into good sleep!

By 8 months, she was sleeping 12 hours at night and taking consistant naps, and falling asleep independently. It was a long 8 months, but I am so glad that I continued towards my goal of helping her become a good sleeper. Now she is the most delightful 4 1/2 year old, a real dear, who STILL is compassionate and sensitive, and needs her sleep.
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Untitled Comment - Sep. 19, 2007

Shared by Anonymous
Just popping in to thank you for what you shared, Allison, and to send you a hug! I also agree that Kendra is right on the money with this :)
We begin early putting our sweeties down to naps and bedtime before they are asleep, so that they learn to fall asleep in thier beds. We do rock and sing and cuddle a lot after family Bible time :)
At our house, we have rest and reading time for the 5 and up crowd and naptime for the 4 and under. It is a blessing to all of us, and we are ready for the afternoon and for when Daddy comes home!
With love in Christ, Quinne
http://thousayest.blogspot.com
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Been there! - Sep. 19, 2007

Shared by barrellfullofmonkeys
Our two year old thrives on less sleep than I would like, and is so tall he doesn't really fit in his crib anymore. Since moving him to a "big boy bed" I put up a baby gate in his bedroom door. I had problems with him crying for the first couple of weeks. I told him firmly that it was "quiet time" and he should take a nap. I'd give him a kiss, and go into the next room. He realized mommy wasn't going to cave in and let him out, so he would give up and lay in bed with his favorite stuffed animals. Now he typically checks to see if the gate is up, closes the door, plays for about a half and hour, then takes a nap. Love those baby gates!
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Untitled Comment - Sep. 19, 2007

Shared by Rebeca
Lots of good advice in the previous comments! Before I ever had children I decided that afternoon quiet time would be the norm for everyone, not just those who slept. I'm so thankful for this time! I think the Moms need it just as much as the kids do. My one bit of advice on helping the baby sleep is to make sure you're giving full feedings- do anything you can to keep him awake so you know he has a full tummy. I've found that by doing this mine tended to sleep longer, and if they did wake up twenty minutes later I at least knew that hunger wasn't the issue and could go from there.
Wishing you and yours rest!
Rebeca
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another idea - Sep. 19, 2007

Shared by Anonymous
When our baby needed our crib, our almost three year old had a hay day getting out bed during nap time. When disciplining him just didn't seem to be working on this issue we found our answer. He sleeps on the top bunk of the bunk bed and we take the ladder off. Then when he wakes, he calls for us to give him the ladder.
I really believe he needs to feel the security of not being "free" in order to sleep.
Just in case it helps,
Amy
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Untitled Comment - Sep. 19, 2007

Shared by Jackie
I'm in the same stage of life, a two year old ans a newborn (2 months) Imagine how relieved I was to hear Kendra say that was the hardest time for her as a mother!! So I,m not crazy!! This really is tough...I'm not a mommy wimp! :-) I cant add to anything that has already been said on the sleep issue...my babies are good sleepers, thankfully! I scheduled my firstborn and she slept through the night at seven weeks. I demand feed my second born, and she started to sleep through the night at seven weeks too. Each child is different, find what works for you as far as feeding, but whatever you do....make sure they sleep!! You need it!
www.jackie-happywife.blogspot.com
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Wonderful comments! - Sep. 19, 2007

Shared by Anonymous
This is a problem shared by all of us moms at one time or another, so please know that you're not alone! Everyone had such good comments. The only thing I would add would be that your newborn who is a "light sleeper"...even if he/she wakes up early from a nap, I would not go get them until YOU"ve decdied the nap is over...which is more than 15-20 minutes. Often times, if we let them, they will work themselves back down to sleep. This is a VERY TOUGH training period for you and your children, but it will pay HUGE dividends in the years to come! Hang in there mommy!!
Amy R. :)
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I couldn't agree more! - Sep. 20, 2007

Shared by baronsgirl
So many fantastic points have been made here, by Kendra and all the others. I'll just re-iterate a few that have been crucial in our family.

The importance of sleep (and lots of it) for development in children is often overlooked or minimized. I've also been told my kids are exceptional, and I know that the regular amount of adequate rest they get has played an enormous role in this. The point has been made the we, as parents, train our children to sleep and we determine when their naps are done. Again...a great point! My dearest "mentor mom" always advised me...they may not always sleep the entire time they're in their beds. You can't control that. But your job is to provide them the OPPORTUNITY for sleep. She was right on all counts...gradually, as I let the days and weeks go by, they'd start sleeping for the hours that they were in their beds. And we saw many benefits from it! I remember a period where mine went for about 6-8 weeks and didn't really sleep much at all during afternoon naps. This same dear friend encouraged me to still provide them the opportunity for sleep. Most moms would have inferred that they were simply "done napping" at that point (around 2 1/2 years old). Again...she was right! (After all, she's done this seven times! :-) ) After a couple of months, they started sleeping again, and still, at ages 4 & 5, they nap in the afternoon and sleep almost 12 hours at night.

You've been given tons of great advice here. The thing I sometimes forget (sadly) in the midst of these "practical" parenting issues is to seek the Lord in it. I often needed to hit my knees and ask the Lord to give me the patience and commitment to persevere in training for sleep, as well as asking Him to cause them to actually sleep! He is faithful! And what a blessing to have that quiet in your house in the day...I also cherish that. To scrapbook, read, clean, do computer work, make phone calls, or take my own nap! In fact, it's when I'm writing this now. :-)

Many blessings to you! ~Jodie
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http://kiddiesinthesun.blogspot.com/ - Sep. 20, 2007

Shared by Anonymous
Just wanted to say, that my 3 year old boy would not stay in his bed at night either! This started when he was about 2 1/2 years, he would be up numerous times a night. My husband took on the job of parenting during this time and he would get up with him and put him back to bed. So I understand what you are saying about a toddler that won't sleep well at night. He is now 3 1/2 years and I am happy to say that we have had the best month since this all started a year ago. We tried spanking, other discipline methods, a baby gate (worked until he started climbing over it), locking the door (we are not comfortable with that one) and other things. The problem just did not go away. I feel this was something we had to wait out with him and help him through, rather than making it a huge discipline issue. We had been praying about it recently and then suddenly we had night where he slept all night! Then another and another! We are so happy. Now, he was a great napper and sleeper at night until he got into the big bed, so I do not feel that there was any lack of teaching to sleep from the beginning. Who knows what was going on with him, but we are praying that we are finally over the hump with this and he'll continue in this new cycle of sleeping through the night. Actually it is not that uncommon, if you google it. I had no idea of this until it happened to us! I guess my advise is to just love him and help him through it. Pray with him and for him. We would also pray with him at night that Jesus would help him sleep all night long. I hope this helps, you're not alone, hang in there!
And as to your infant not napping, well, just keep trying would be my advice. Sometimes with my now 1 year old, she would go through cycles of sleeping at alot to not needing as much sleep. I did find that if I let her cry it out just a couple of times, she would settle back into a routine of sleeping. I am not a fan at all of the cry it out method, but there are times when it is necessary.
Hang in there!! Rachel
http://kiddiesinthesun.blogspot.com/
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Your heart - Sep. 22, 2007

Shared by Katie
It's been on my heart to share this, so I'm finally going to say it. If the Lord leads you to sleep train and the like then do it, but if it doesn't sit well with you and it makes you uncomfortable, then follow the leading of the Holy Spirit. My biggest regrets are doing things because other people did them even though I wasn't comfortable with them. We each have to do what works for our family as the Lord leads. Sleep is so important and makes such a huge difference in our whole life, but we have to do as the Lord leads.
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Thank you everyone! - Sep. 24, 2007

Shared by Anonymous
Thank you, everyone who wrote comments about my email. I am extremely encouraged and ready to try some new things. It was a blessing to read all of your comments!
Allison
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The Beauty of Comments - Sep. 24, 2007

Shared by PreschoolersandPeace
Allison-

I am glad you felt blessed here. This is the beauty of comments if they are left in love and kindness. And thanks to everyone who commented- you have blessed us all!

Kendra
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Untitled Comment - Sep. 25, 2007

Shared by Anonymous
I have four under five and each has a box fan in his or her room turned up on the loudest setting (we used white noise machines initially, but they are much more expensive and break easier). They are like Pavlov's dogs when they hear that box fan! I worried that they would become addicted to the white noise, but I have never had a problem with any of them not being able to sleep without it at Grandma's, etc. It makes for much interrupted sleep.
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Untitled Comment - Sep. 25, 2007

Shared by Anonymous
UN-interrupted sleep, I meant to say!
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